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Dear Yaoi Fangirls: I Hate You by ~snappedchopstick:iconsnappedchopstick:






It's true.

I hate yaoi fangirls, and I am one.

You may be looking at me with tears in your eyes right now and saying, "Why Chopstick... why?!"  

Well, I'm gonna tell you why.


1.  You're just writing about them because they're hot.

Let's just forget that they hated each other in the game.  Let's completely forget that both of them were completely straight and had loving girlfriends in the anime.  And heaven forbid I bring up the idea that they were really "just friends" in the manga.  I'm not really bitching about drabbles or crackfics so much as I am the fifty-page-long epics that completely ignore canon.  

AND I MEAN COMPLETELY.

Rinoa was just so whiny and Squall and Seifer were just SO KAWAII, you HAD to kill her or maim her or turn her into a ditzy bitch that Squall despised.  I hated her too, you know, but I'm not willing to actually sit down and write her out of the picture in such an abrupt and unlikely way it could be considered a cop-out.  For gods' sake, have pride in what you're writing and give it some believability.


2.  You think Japanese is TEH BESTEST LANGY-WAGE EVAR.

I said the word "kawaii" up there, and actually died a little on the inside when I did.  I might use Japanglish in real life, but, uh, I use it with my Japanese friends.  It stays out of my fics and my posts.  Why?  Because I speak English.  I am making an English-speaking post.  When I write fanfiction, I write it for the English-speaking reader.  I think the most Japanese I've ever used in a fic was for my Petshop of Horrors fanfic, but those are honorifics, and I can't figure out a proper way to translate honorifics into English without them sounding competely retarded.

Just to be completely clear, I'll include a little example that shows exactly what I hate.  (And excuse any similarity to any actual fic; this is one of my own creation written just for this rant.  However, if there is a fic just like this out there... I'm sure I hate it.  A lot.)

"Oh, Yuki-chan, you're so kawaii!" squealed Tohma, eyeing the blond bishounen.

"Hn."  Yuki arched an eyebrow at the CEO.  "You baka.  Urusai..."

Tohma shook his head, leaning into Yuki insistently.  "Urusai nai yo!  Watashi wa aishteru!"


WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

Okay, one: I've seen Japanese like this actually used in fics.  And it's shit Japanese.  Like, really shit Japanese.  As in, "I-just-kinda-threw-some-stuff-I-saw-together-hope-it-fits-teehee" Japanese.

IF YOU LOVE THE LANGUAGE SO MUCH, WHY DO YOU ABUSE IT?

Some people might excuse it by saying, "Well, they're still learning.  This is how they practice."  They shouldn't be using the goddamn language in fics at all, dammit.  There are forums and chatrooms and pen-pal programs and websites, ALL geared towards learning Japanese.  Welcome to the Internet, kids.  It's a wonderful place.  Lemme introduce you to my best friend, Google.


3.  You write shitty songfics.

Okay, so maybe this is just a generic gripe that can go for any fic at all, but it runs pretty rampant in yaoi too.  I hate songfics.  I don't really care if a certain fic was inspired by a song, or features the lyrics quoted (at most, a few lines) before the fic starts, but any fic that features the song prominently in its body just annoys the crap out of me.  It breaks up the flow of the fic pretty dreadfully and just distracts from it.  Are you trying to hide the fact tht you can't write at all by hiding behind Prince's "When Doves Cry?"

Sadly, I have seen perfectly good fics completely ruined by song lyrics randomly inserted inbetween paragraphs.  Sometimes I go to the effort to actually open the fic in a word editor and remove the lyrics, but I mostly just skip over any fic that has "songfic" in its description completely.


4.  You leave the WORST reviews.

"liek omg ^_____^  THAT WUZ SO KAWAII!!!1  i luv inuyasha an miroku 2gether, their teh best lol ^_^;; PLZ WRITE MORE!!"

You review everything like this.  EVERYTHING.  I don't care if it's the most typo-ridden, OOC, badly-written drivel that has ever graced the Intarwebnet, you think it is THE BEST THING EVER.  And you will add it to your favorites list and surely read it at least once a week, because it features your favorite unlikely couple and that's all that matters, dammit.  

Man, that ticks me off.

I've had the poor luck to run across terrible fics, then glance at the reviews and see eight pages of naught but praise.  If you're going to read a pile of shit fic, at least have the grace to know that's what you're reading.  If you don't out-and-out flame the author, at least give them what we of the more-than-one-brain-cell club like to call "constructive criticism" and tell them how to improve their fic.  

For the love of god, DON'T ENCOURAGE THE BAD WRITERS.  The type of yaoi fangirl that does is part of the reason why the rest of us have to muck through page after page of poorly-written crap just to find a single good fic.  

Actually, this goes for flames, too.  Often times this type of yaoi fangirl mindlessly flames any fic featuring a pairing she doesn't like, regardless of the actual fic's quality.  "NO U SUCK SESSHOMARU ONLY LUVS NARAKU!!!11  >_<"


5. Your fics are terrible.

This ties more into the ideas above, but I'd just like to expand on it a little bit.

Most yaoi fics are what I like to call Old Yeller fics.  They start out with a good idea, but after a while it just all goes to hell, and then it's time to take it out to the back yard and shoot it in the head.  Tragic, but necessary.

So sure, YaoiNoMiko0843 has this really cool idea... at first.  But then she lapses into five million cliches, makes it a rape fic, kills off all the main female characters, and caps it all off with a wedding... and my next gripe.


6.  You write MPREG.

FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD, WHY?

You DO know that the characters you're writing are MALE, right?  That they have penises and no tits, much less vaginas?  I could possibly understand something like this when you're dealing with a mysterious, alien/otherworldly character (like D from Petshop of Horrors, maybe), but Quatre of Gundam Wing?  

Why?

WHY?

"But they're in love and they need to have a BAY-BEEEE, Chopstick!"  you cry in protest, pointing to a very much in love Trieze and Zechs, with Zechs cradling his adorable hellspawn.

What the fuck.   Ever heard of adoption?  Men don't have the equipment for making babies, kids; I don't care how many times you watched Junior.  You're just writing it because you think that your adorable couple needs a baby to cement their relationship, and babies just have to come from the innards of one of them, or it just doesn't count.  I swear to god, you'd think that to become a Gundam pilot it was a prerequisite to have ovaries planted up your ass, these fics are so rampant in the Gundam (Wing) fandom.


7.  You don't care about spelling/grammar/typos/MY SANITY.

I kick myself every time I catch the slightest mis-type I made that goes unnoticed by everyone else, I really do.  You, on the other hand, don't give a damn.  This is made obvious by the fact that you're misspelling the main character's name, using "loose" instead of "lose," and think that awkward only has one w in it.  Okay, so I'm being a little unfair and pointing out some really common misspellings, but just consider this a public service.  

I don't really care about those two common misspellings as much as I care about those who commit the unforgivable crime of using Internet abbreviations, smilies, and/or 1337 speak in their fics.   If Edward made a slightly nervous smile after he confessed his feelings to Greed, DO NOT express it with ^_^;.  Write it.  Describe it.  And when you're done doing that, read it a few times over to make sure it's devoid of typos.  Double-check your spelling of words you're not quite sure about.

When to use "he and I" instead of "him and me":  If you're writing about Edward and Alphonse going out to buy more condoms and lube and you're writing from Al's perspective, there is a common mistake with grammar, and that is to automatically use "he and I" because it "sounds more correct."  As a rule of thumb, you subtract the other person from the sentence.  If what you're using still makes sense ("I wanted to get the Astroglide" versus "Me wanted to get the Astroglide") then you're in the clear.


8.  Your stupid Mary Sues/Marty Stus.

You sneak them in when no one's looking.  You insist they aren't self-inserts, but the smart ones know better.  The Mary Sue is usually paired up with another character (not distracting from the main HAWT YAOI SEXX0RZ, of course), while the Marty Stu can either be paired up with the afore-mentioned "other character," or he can even be the other half of the actual yaoi pairing.

Lesser crimes include making a Mary/Marty one of the main characters' confidants, despite the fact that there were twenty canonical characters to choose from.  Suddenly there's this random, made up character that Leon has to run and confide in, despite the fact that he has D/Jill/Chris in the manga.  


9.  Addendum.

I'm a yaoi fangirl.  I confess this.  I embrace this.  I enjoy the occasional pure smut or WAFF or angst-ridden fic.  Unfortunately, however, I do not always enjoy my fellow fangirls and what they produce.  Ultimately I'm probably in the yaoi community to stay (for better or for worse), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to bitch about things every once in a while.  

Things can be improved.  Always.

I desperately want to see the yaoi fandom improve.


10.  Useful Links.

USE THEM, THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS.

Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com
Google: http://www.google.com/
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
GrammarStation.com: http://www.grammarstation.com/     Thanks to my fellow LJer thespooniest for pointing this one out.

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An... "essay" I wrote concerning the fandom I am the most active in, yaoi. The original can be found here: [link]


And yes, as I have been told, it can apply to more than one fandom. That's great. However, I wrote this really with only yaoi in mind, seeing as how it's the fandom I know the most about.

EDIT FOR THE UNNATURALLY DENSE:

Look, you. You know who you are. You're all pissy because you think I'm a big ol' meanie. Before you shoot yourself in the foot, you need to know the following:

1. This rant is my opinion. I have never stated it to be anything other than such.

2. Stop accusing me of being an evil yaoi-hating harpy. I'm not. I explicitly state that I am a yaoi fangirl. (And *no,* smartass, that doesn't mean I hate myself.)

3. Stop thinking you are clever for telling me that people are allowed to have their own opinions/preferences in response to my rant about MY OPINIONS AND PREFERENCES.

4. There is no #4.

5. I never, ever attack anyone personally in my rant. If it seems like something I've said is directed specifically at you (or your best friend, or your small dog, or whatever), let me clear this up right now: IT ISN'T. I ask that you grant me the same courtesy.

6. This was mainly written for "the lulz." That is to say, for you to laugh at. Perhaps even learn from. If you are not satisfied with my brand of "the funny," too bad. No refunds! May I suggest Calvin and Hobbes?

EDIT AGAIN: Holy shit, people are still looking at this. Uh, okay. I understand that the Internet is forever and all, so I'm not really going to marvel at that fact. Just so you guys know, though, I've pretty much abandoned dA out of laziness and will, with 99.9% certainty, not be replying to comments any more. Sorry guys, that's what happens when real life takes over.

tl;dr - If you enjoyed the rant, fuck yeah, I'm glad you liked it. If you hated it and think I'm mean, I don't care in the least and would probably consider you to be an idiot.
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*Dies laughing*

A yaoi fangirl comment, however. I do not post ficage on fanfiction.net I dont believe on ruining a story.

However, it seems to me that youve come across quite a bit of shitty fics. Or your just an angry person that NEEDS to get a girp. An old saying goes "Dont like it?
Get over it." or maybe thats just me.

However, I do recognize this stereotype of 'yaoi fangirls' there are certain people*cough* out there that actually HAVE a brain and arent five years old.

People that write like that are generally just starting off, however the world of fiction could have changed greatly sense the last time I visited it, dare I go to far to say... Hippocrit?

My spelling may not be the best here but I do believe that I have gotten my point across. At least, I hope so. In other words if not what I am trying to say is.
Get over it -.- there will always be stupid people on the internet and in real life who you cant stand. Singling them out isnt going to do any good.

Sincerely ~ sakuranokuroi

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"whose cousin reigns supreme?!"- Iron Shef
::standing ovation::

I think this can be said for any fandom. The main reason why I don't read fanfiction (and haven't in a long, long time) is because of the abovementioned problems. Too much crap to wade through...
It's a rant to blow off some steam.

I'm thinking *you* should get over it. While I can see your side of this, I also don't see the point in you griping about my opinion unless you're one of the fangirls I hate.

There are a lot of shitty fics. A LOT. They're everywhere. It's discouraging.

I don't really understand half of the things you're trying to say. =\ I can read just fine, it's just your wording choices seem a bit poor.

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Paedophiles just don't turn me on like they used to.
hmn perhaps I wasnt trying to be rude though.

I dont write much any more. Just poetry and paintings really.

I guess its my place to apologize. Sorry if I caused you some frustraiton

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"whose cousin reigns supreme?!"- Iron Shef
THANK YOU!

I myself am a yaoi fanboy, but that does not mean I condone half of this crap. I've got another one for you. The Harry Potter-verse (not Anime, but I'm also a just plain slash fanboy). I'm a huge fan of a lot of the HP fanfics out there slash or not, but there are a few that make our dear Harry a hermaphrodite... not by a stray spell or exploded potion (thank you, Neville) either, but FROM BIRTH. That is creepy. I'm sure it's happened in a couple of other fandoms as well. Ick.

I can see Mpreg in HP because of potions, but I don't condone it.

I agree with you on the whole grammar and spelling issues too. That's why any smart fanfic writer has an even smarter beta and or uses Microsoft Word PROPERLY.

I mostly write original stuff (not that I have more than one original fic posted) but I've got a VHD slashfic pairing D with an OMC. I'm just glad I've never been accused of being a Marty Stu with that one. The OMC is so not me it's not even funny. In fact, he's so not me I have trouble writing him. Course I'm not saying the fic is any good either most of it was written about two years ago. I'm in the process of rewriting/finishing it, but I also have my webcomic, two original stories in the works, my art, and a full time job. Exile isn't getting finished anytime soon.

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Stupidity, contrary to popular belief, IS painful... to us smart folk.
It helps ta have a mean critique streak like this in order ta find good-quality yaoi in the first place ^_^ Y'all seem ta gain that skill from trudging through all of the swampy areas of poorly-written fanfiction. I tip my hat off to you for such... 'bravery' comes to mind, but I think I'll leave it with a 'strong stomach' instead ^^;

And THANK YOU for pointing out the reasons and flaws of yaoi fandom-ness in the first paragraph. This is why my logic board's circut seem to explode whenever I run across pairings between characters that are suppose to HATE EACH OTHER with a passion in the original show/game/book/whatever you may have! Pairings between friends, however, I can really support, even if they DO have female counterparts to confide in (and believe you me, you have no idea how much my dad joked about that bit in Harry Potter book 4 during the school night ball dance event :XD: maybe it's becasue of him that I get my crazy fettishes fer yaoi in the first place).

Oh! Thanks to you and "LJer" for the link for grammar-checkin' ^_^ I can't rely on Microsoft Word anymore since it doesn't understand the differences between past and present tense (and I get SO TOTALLY mixed up with my conjunctions with articles >_<;)

This will be most helpful to me in the future.

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"I reject your reality and substitute my own." -- Adam Savage, Mythbusters

"Well, there's your problem!" -- Jamie Hyneman, MythBusters
It's all true, of course. This is why, I suppose that as I've matured I've drifted over to movie and television fandoms or fandoms based around a particular actor rather than putting up with the ever-expanding, ever-worsening yaoi fan base. It's marginally better, I suppose. No fangirl Japanese, at least.

Gundam Wing was a pit of amazingly egregious horrors. Truly.

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"And what would a note say, Dan? 'Cat dead, details later?'" - Herbert West.
:clap: thanks!
There are many fandoms I don't quite understand.
Mpreg is one of the strangest among them, as well as beastiality.
There is nothing sexy about a man having sex with, let's just say a frog, a werewolf during fullmoon. I am just asking myself if the author has got a pet....

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Gleichgültig ging er weiter, es lag ihm nichts am Weg, bald auf-, bald abwärts. Müdigkeit spürte er keine, nur war es ihm manchmal unangenehm, daß er nicht auf dem Kopf gehn konnte.
This is sadly true :no: I admit I'm a yaoi fangirl myself, but c'mon. What the hell with all these freakin' rediculous couples that don't make any sence at all. If your gonna make up your own yaoi couple, you better have a good excuse why they love each other besides"Oh, there in love because those guy's are hot and what I'm saying doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying!!! Cuase it's kawai!!!!" Thats not a good enough excuse dumbass. Is there any god damn cannon evidence!? Huh!? But I do like do like uncannoned yaoi couples if somebody was able to pull them off very well though. Most yaoi fanfics I usually see are boring too. About the whole Mpreg. Well I just use it for joking around ^^; I swear yaoi couples that usually don't get any respect, are the ones that make sence and also have samrter fans too. Very well writtin' :clap:

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Cursing the curser with twice the curse.
An amusing critique of an all-too-annoying group. I'm a yaoi fangirl. I don't think I fall into _too_ many of your hate-list catagories :P

There is an awful lot of crap around, especially on ff.net. Some of it has promise... and some of it is awful. Mainly for the reasons you quoted.

Of course, as I'm sure you realise, any of the fangirls that are the target of this rant will just say something like "Shut up! What do you know?". Meh :P

Anyway. Rant some more. Ranting is good. It releases anger and when it's this well written (and amusing) its a piece of art :)

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if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything

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